From: Ko Ko Linn
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Date: Oct 2, 2005 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [APUF] A Request to Contributors!!
Dear Ko Arzarni Thwe,
All of the first, I'd like to beg your pardon for my lately response. As I am to much busy within these days and it is caused for my delay.As you write, if someone has argument about his genesis then the scientific test DNA is very helpful. One of our own poor literate people also asked me as why I am not dare to have DNA test.
It is not a question for dare or not; it is a question for the so called human dignity of an entire community. As I believed, still you have studied so many chronicles about Arakan and you must be found some Magh elites claimed as they are from Aryan and some others are mongoloid. Now so-called Moe Kyaw Tun claims himself as Indo-Mongoloid. As well I think you have better information on the genesis of the Burman that remains still unclear. Then why not ask them to have DNA test ? Why do only the Rohingya need to have? We the Araknese Rohingyas, who still neither claim the citizenship of other country nor give up living inside Arakan are utmost dare to give protection to our community from every sides. The Rohingyas who temporarily staying in abroad will also return to their motherland for carrying their duty on their community and religion. Rohingya who claimed foreign citizenship are also know their obligations to their faith and race. ",
Dear Ko Arzarni Thwe,
All of the first, I'd like to beg your pardon for my lately response. As I am to much busy within these days and it is caused for my delay.
As you write, if someone has argument about his genesis then the scientific test DNA is very helpful. One of our own poor literate people also asked me as why I am not dare to have DNA test. It is not a question for dare or not; it is a question for the so called human dignity of an entire community.
As I believed, still you have studied so many chronicles about Arakan and you must be found some Magh elites claimed as they are from Aryan and some others are mongoloid. Now so-called Moe Kyaw Tun claims himself as Indo-Mongoloid. As well I think you have better information on the genesis of the Burman that remains still unclear. Then why not ask them to have DNA test ? Why do only the Rohingya need to have?
We the Araknese Rohingyas, who still neither claim the citizenship of other country nor give up living inside Arakan are utmost dare to give protection to our community from every sides. The Rohingyas who temporarily staying in abroad will also return to their motherland for carrying their duty on their community and religion. Rohingya who claimed foreign citizenship are also know their obligations to their faith and race.
All Rohingya intellectuals are realizing now as what is the solution for having a peaceful future of next generations. If you are seeking humanitarian assistances on bringing democracy and human rights inside Burma then you must be pay understanding about each and everyone regardless of race, color and faith. We oppose to all those who does not show the mutual respects according to the parameter of human dignities. We will fight them all those Xenophobia and neo-Nazis who discriminately denying the constitutional rights of the Rohingya community in Burma as well as in Arakan. Personally we have nothing problem with your community and other communities of Burma.
All Rohingya intellectuals are realizing now as what is the solution for having a peaceful future of next generations.
If you are seeking humanitarian assistances on bringing democracy and human rights inside Burma then you must be pay understanding about each and everyone regardless of race, color and faith.
We oppose to all those who does not show the mutual respects according to the parameter of human dignities.
We will fight them all those Xenophobia and neo-Nazis who discriminately denying the constitutional rights of the Rohingya community in Burma as well as in Arakan.
Personally we have nothing problem with your community and other communities of Burma.
We invite all those who justly called for DNA test to all communities for having unclear of their origins. I hope you realize now as what is behind the DNA test. With best regards!!
Ko Ko Linn (YU)
Free Rohingya Campaign (International)
Arzar Ni Thwe <arzarni_thwe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear (Ko) Ko Ko Lin,
I believe you have my idea wrong. I am not an Arakan and have no intention to rebuff Rohingyas. All I rasied was a fact that can support the historical facts.
If your historical facts are right, the scientific researches will support it. What I said was that we can support the historical facts with the help of science. That's all. There was no color and no other intentions on the issue. The mail was quite short and I would urge you to re-read it again.However, when you over-react the fact that science can help proof history, people would think otherwise.I completely understand the fact that it is quite insensitive to undertake such kind of research to a comunity, any comunity will feel sad and insulted.
I have mentioned it in my original mail. I understand your feeling. But if I were you and if my historical facts produced were right, then I will proudly welcome such kind of researches and make the wrongs into right. No one will ever say that Rohingyas are not national brothers again anymore, if DNA supports you. You have to understand such test will not reject rohingyas unless rohingya's claims are wrong! If Rohingyas are truely Arab decendents came to Arakan land 500 - 800 years ago, then that\'s it! Rohingyas will have a proud place as a national ethnic!We can seek any other scientific researches, not only DNA, which would support the identity of Rohingya. When you are arguing Dr Aye Chan said this and Ko Zaw Min Htut said this, we (other national brothers) get more confuse and there was not solid conclusion.
I hope you understand my point. And I agree with your point "Only Rohingya needs a DNA test for claiming as Burmese."? I think this issue goes out of Rohingyas. Recently there are a lot of illegal immigrations from China to our country especially to Yangon and Mandalay. This is also an issue of concern. SPDC has no concern over the immigration on that side of the country.
Anyway, please do not take my previous mail as an insult. I am just suggesting a possible solution, effective and fast in stead of arguing over some articles - new and old. If soft methods such as historical articles cannot solve, hard methods in the labs might solve it.
If your historical facts are right, the scientific researches will support it. What I said was that we can support the historical facts with the help of science. That's all. There was no color and no other intentions on the issue. The mail was quite short and I would urge you to re-read it again.
However, when you over-react the fact that science can help proof history, people would think otherwise.
I completely understand the fact that it is quite insensitive to undertake such kind of research to a comunity, any comunity will feel sad and insulted. I have mentioned it in my original mail. I understand your feeling. But if I were you and if my historical facts produced were right, then I will proudly welcome such kind of researches and make the wrongs into right. No one will ever say that Rohingyas are not national brothers again anymore, if DNA supports you. You have to understand such test will not reject rohingyas unless rohingya's claims are wrong! If Rohingyas are truely Arab decendents came to Arakan land 500 - 800 years ago, then that's it! Rohingyas will have a proud place as a national ethnic!
We can seek any other scientific researches, not only DNA, which would support the identity of Rohingya.
When you are arguing Dr Aye Chan said this and Ko Zaw Min Htut said this, we (other national brothers) get more confuse and there was not solid conclusion.
I hope you understand my point. And I agree with your point "Only Rohingya needs a DNA test for claiming as Burmese."? I think this issue goes out of Rohingyas. Recently there are a lot of illegal immigrations from China to our country especially to Yangon and Mandalay. This is also an issue of concern. SPDC has no concern over the immigration on that side of the country.
Anyway, please do not take my previous mail as an insult. I am just suggesting a possible solution, effective and fast in stead of arguing over some articles - new and old. If soft methods such as historical articles cannot solve, hard methods in the labs might solve it.
Regards
AZNT
Ko Ko Linn <ko_linn_yu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Contributors,
Salaam Alaikum!
Regarding the message from Ko Azarni Thwe and continuous attacks by well-known Magh elites, it is indicated that the Rohingya seriously needs a high and sufficient protection from genocide in future. If 97 percent of the total population of a nation will target to a 3 percent community by claiming as:-
1. The only Rohingya needs a DNA test for claiming as Burmese.
2. Rohingyas are illegal migrants of Bengali origins during the colonial periods.
3. Rohingya needs to find third places for their permanent settlement because they are not allowed on the land of Buddhism. The first idea is originated from a Neo-Nazi, Xenophobia, so-called Moe Kyaw Tun who is suggested a SPDC agent and appointed to live and work in Singapore. He has the right to say or write a few word against the SPDC occasionally if it is necessary. Anyway, we have to suggest as all the SPDC and self-claim democracy activists are nothing difference to us. At the final stage his ideology became a supportive to Ko Azarni Thwe and to be suggested as later to everyone of them. I am feeling very proud to say that we, Rohingyas have still no problem with any community of Burma. After knowing everyone as Rohingyas are peace loving, why do they are unaccepted? Are the figure of Rohingyas unacceptable? 3. Rohingya needs to find third places for their permanent settlement because they are not allowed on the land of Buddhism.
The first idea is originated from a Neo-Nazi, Xenophobia, so-called Moe Kyaw Tun who is suggested a SPDC agent and appointed to live and work in Singapore. He has the right to say or write a few word against the SPDC occasionally if it is necessary. Anyway, we have to suggest as all the SPDC and self-claim democracy activists are nothing difference to us.
At the final stage his ideology became a supportive to Ko Azarni Thwe and to be suggested as later to everyone of them.
I am feeling very proud to say that we, Rohingyas have still no problem with any community of Burma. After knowing everyone as Rohingyas are peace loving, why do they are unaccepted?
Are the figure of Rohingyas unacceptable?
The only thing they are denied is their religion. Yes, the Islam is unacceptable. If Rohingya confess their faith into Buddhism then everything will be OK with them.
Now, Rohingya elites have to choice the better way for the safety of their community. If they choice the way to confess their religion into Buddhism, all the inhuman treatments will be removed. It is very easy way. As well, living in silence or only talking for unity without activities will make indeed the illiterate people of the community will choice their way.
If Rohingyas deny the way to confess the religion, then they must be followed after what is the obligation in Islam to them.For the second accusation, while each and everyone trying to bring democracy and human rights in Burma, the only Maghs are extremely serious on the anti Rohingya propagandas by using their webs, medias and other many ways. Every organizations, individuals and intellectuals show a deep concern on the word Rohingya. "
The only thing they are denied is their religion. Yes, the Islam is unacceptable. If Rohingya confess their faith into Buddhism then everything will be OK with them.
Now, Rohingya elites have to choice the better way for the safety of their community.
- If they choice the way to confess their religion into Buddhism, all the inhuman treatments will be removed. It is very easy way. As well, living in silence or only talking for unity without activities will make indeed the illiterate people of the community will choice their way.
- If Rohingyas deny the way to confess the religion, then they must be followed after what is the obligation in Islam to them.
For the second accusation, while each and everyone trying to bring democracy and human rights in Burma, the only Maghs are extremely serious on the anti Rohingya propagandas by using their webs, medias and other many ways. Every organizations, individuals and intellectuals show a deep concern on the word Rohingya.
Why does the word Rohingya make harmful to them? It is considerable. They said as they never oppose to being Islam or Muslims in Arakan. Also they claim as they accept the people by calling them Bengali. So far the word Rohingya is only the problem for them. Why?If the Maghs have the right to claim themselves as Rakhine, the Pyus have the right to claim as Bhama and so on, then why not us? Anyway, we should follow them. We should accept and convey our heartfelt thanks to all those anti Rohingya Magh for giving us a new idea for our own future. We need to survive our community by thinking such of a new method. The recent call of Azarni Thwe for DNA test shows us they ignored or denied all the historical back ground of Rohingya in Arakan which were written by others. They like to say the former democratic leaders used the a tactic by recognizing us as Rohingya and ethnic minority of Burma.
Why does the word Rohingya make harmful to them? It is considerable. They said as they never oppose to being Islam or Muslims in Arakan. Also they claim as they accept the people by calling them Bengali. So far the word Rohingya is only the problem for them. Why?
If the Maghs have the right to claim themselves as Rakhine, the Pyus have the right to claim as Bhama and so on, then why not us?
Anyway, we should follow them. We should accept and convey our heartfelt thanks to all those anti Rohingya Magh for giving us a new idea for our own future. We need to survive our community by thinking such of a new method.
The recent call of Azarni Thwe for DNA test shows us they ignored or denied all the historical back ground of Rohingya in Arakan which were written by others. They like to say the former democratic leaders used the a tactic by recognizing us as Rohingya and ethnic minority of Burma.
So that, we should better keep the history for past.As now, we have to consider as who will be the best for us. We have two big communities around us. The Magh and Bengali. We need to choice any of one by considering as who will be beneficial in our national survive process. For the Magh, we have got a firm resolution on what is their interest to us and what they are going to do with us along the history. Although the Maghs are unworthy to make an internal change inside Burma. So far their cooperation will not make beneficial to us.When the Magh urged us to find another territory for settlement, we have to think solemnly on this matter. The region where we are given birth and living for centuries is denying our existence. So that we have to choice the ways as:- to protect the territory where we are born and descended; So that, we should better keep the history for past.
As now, we have to consider as who will be the best for us. We have two big communities around us. The Magh and Bengali. We need to choice any of one by considering as who will be beneficial in our national survive process.
For the Magh, we have got a firm resolution on what is their interest to us and what they are going to do with us along the history. Although the Maghs are unworthy to make an internal change inside Burma. So far their cooperation will not make beneficial to us.
When the Magh urged us to find another territory for settlement, we have to think solemnly on this matter. The region where we are given birth and living for centuries is denying our existence. So that we have to choice the ways as:-
- to protect the territory where we are born and descended; or
- to abandon the living by finding a new region. For the first case, we need to struggle in every sides. No one can deny our struggling till we get our constitutional rights.If we like to avoid this tragedy then we have to choice the second method by finding a new territory for settlement. I find a new territory inside Bangladesh that is known as the Bandarban district. Ranghamatti is the best one for us. In this purpose we need to approach Bengalis for assistances. Cooperation with Bengalis will make us beneficial. We should try to get their assistances on driving out the all Maghs from that region to Burma and in new settlement of our community over there. In the history, Bengal is helpful to Arakan for many years. We also need their sympathies to solve our issue. Before we abandon, the Maghs need to prove that they are original inhabitants of Arakan. According to the Magh chronicles Arakan is an Aryan and Dravidian stock. Some Maghs claim as they are from Aryan and sometime other are from Mongoloid. It must be proved that the Maghs are Aryan. Therefore they need to have DNA test first. If they are failed then their migration into Arakan is later
- to abandon the living by finding a new region.
For the first case, we need to struggle in every sides. No one can deny our struggling till we get our constitutional rights.
If we like to avoid this tragedy then we have to choice the second method by finding a new territory for settlement.
I find a new territory inside Bangladesh that is known as the Bandarban district. Ranghamatti is the best one for us. In this purpose we need to approach Bengalis for assistances. Cooperation with Bengalis will make us beneficial. We should try to get their assistances on driving out the all Maghs from that region to Burma and in new settlement of our community over there.
In the history, Bengal is helpful to Arakan for many years. We also need their sympathies to solve our issue. Before we abandon, the Maghs need to prove that they are original inhabitants of Arakan. According to the Magh chronicles Arakan is an Aryan and Dravidian stock. Some Maghs claim as they are from Aryan and sometime other are from Mongoloid. It must be proved that the Maghs are Aryan. Therefore they need to have DNA test first. If they are failed then their migration into Arakan is later 10
th century because the Mongoloid arrived later 10th century AD. When they prove as they are Aryan, we should leave to Bangladesh and all the Maghs now settling inside Bangladesh must be moved into Burma. nI therefore like to urge all our highly educated contributors for working hard to reach our goal rather then wasting times in so-called democracy and human rights in Burma. As for me and our supporters, we are too much emotionally going to start soon the activities according to Magh and burman nepotism. Due to the situation, I like to send my comment on coming Asia forum as "it is another tragedy put off our vein internationally in front our sympathizers and supporters". If my comment is unacceptable, please study well on who are taking a part in this forum from Magh\'s side. In addition, we welcome all non Arakanese Rohingya for only their assistances in our crisis if they wish to have or if they understand what their obligation are, but reject their attempts of leadership to us. Every organization that were formed by the Rohingyas who are foreign citizens or permanent residence of a foreign country and that intended for leading us are invalid. They have no right to use the name of any legal organization that were used or are using by Arakanese Rohingya for their necessaries. ",1]
th century because the Mongoloid arrived later 10th century AD.
When they prove as they are Aryan, we should leave to Bangladesh and all the Maghs now settling inside Bangladesh must be moved into Burma.
I therefore like to urge all our highly educated contributors for working hard to reach our goal rather then wasting times in so-called democracy and human rights in Burma.
As for me and our supporters, we are too much emotionally going to start soon the activities according to Magh and burman nepotism.
Due to the situation, I like to send my comment on coming Asia forum as "it is another tragedy put off our vein internationally in front our sympathizers and supporters". If my comment is unacceptable, please study well on who are taking a part in this forum from Magh's side.
In addition, we welcome all non Arakanese Rohingya for only their assistances in our crisis if they wish to have or if they understand what their obligation are, but reject their attempts of leadership to us. Every organization that were formed by the Rohingyas who are foreign citizens or permanent residence of a foreign country and that intended for leading us are invalid. They have no right to use the name of any legal organization that were used or are using by Arakanese Rohingya for their necessaries.
Finally, I'd like to urge all our valuable contributors to send me comments on my proposal and humbly request for haven't any response to any anti-Rohingya postings. Our goal is to build a peace future for our community and not to make any quarrel with them.
With keen respect,
Ko Ko Linn (YU)
Contributor,
Free Rohingya Campaign (International